Monday, July 24

To Drink or Not To Drink, That Is the Question

I appreciate Tim Challies for pointing out a series of posts by David at The Thirsty Theologian. Ken is obviously acquainted and familiar with the guys over at The Thirsty Theologian, but this is my first time getting involved in a discussion over there. David is currently working on a series entitled "God Gave C2H6O". This is a series of posts on "beverage alcohol use" and David is making the case that "this resolution [the SBC resolution concerning alcohol], and the history of fundamentalist prohibitionism, is no less than a rejection of sola Scriptura, 'teaching for doctrines the commandments of men' (Matthew 15:9)." I highly encourage you to read Part #1 and Part #2 for yourself. Personally I am looking forward to reading his entire series which he hope to continue tomorrow. I will be checking in early in the morning.

Ken said that he was going to link to these articles, but since he is at camp this week I figured I would do my best to do his work for him. :) [Actually, I was the first to comment on these articles leading me to believe I read them first and therefore giving me first dibs on commenting about them.]

I really don't want to say too much until I have read all that David has to say. He has obviously done much more research on the subject and I thought I would see all of his conclusions before digging in deeply myself. I will say that I was raised under "total abstinence" teaching and held that view by default for most of pastoral ministry (almost 10 years). Through a series of questions by men that I was discipling I came to the biblical conclusion that you cannot a teach total abstinence as a command from the Bible. With that being said I do practice abstinence from the position of wisdom and profitability.

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." 1 Cor. 6:12
At this point in my life I cannot and do not partake of alcoholic beverages because for me it would be a violation of my conscience and therefore sin (Romans 14:23).

Most, if not all of the comments at The Thirsty Theologian have come from those who are in favor of "beverage alcohol use". I am curious to hear from those who oppose social "beverage alcohol use" and are in favor of resolutions similar to the one the SBC recently passed. This is a subject that I am personally very interested in and one I find to be highly practical when it comes to daily Christian living. I will await your responses.

11 Comments:

Blogger Young Fundamentalist said...

Well, drinking sure did help Noah, Lot, Rod Bell . . .

So, go ahead, embrace and enjoy your liberty!

Bottoms up!

Just Kidding!!!!!

7/25/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger Don Fields said...

YF,

Thanks for your response, but what is your position and why do you hold it? BTW, I agree that there are tremendous dangers with alcohol.

7/26/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Young Fundamentalist said...

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7/26/2006 01:09:00 PM  
Blogger Young Fundamentalist said...

Don,

Don't you know that a YF doesn't hold any position? The very word "position" implies something that one would protect and defend. Sounds too militant for me!

Check out my blog, www.jeskidding.blogspot.com to see things from the perspective of a YF.

Just Kidding!!!!!

7/26/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger Don Fields said...

YF,

I did visit your profile and also your blog. It seems like you spend most of your time at SI. I was just wondering what the point of your blog is. I know this is off topic, but since no one else is using the space to comment I thought we might as well.

7/26/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger David Poehlein said...

Personally, I don't see the Biblical basis for stating that alcohol is sinful, or even wrong when used in moderation. To me, alcohol is just like food. If you have too much, it becomes bad.

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body," (1 Cor. 6:19-20).

I take this to mean that we should not abuse our bodies. Should this mean that every time we're in a room where someone is smoking, we must run like the wind to get out of there before our bodies are defiled by the smoke? Are we not "honoring" our bodies if we don't make sure we don't take 100% of our vitamins and minerals each and every day? If we're overweight, are we horrible, unrepentant sinners?

I don't believe so. I believe that alcohol is just another vehicle which can be abused and made into a vice. I mean, getting too much sun is a vice of vanity for pete's sake. Should we outlaw the sun? Of course not. Should we not dance because some people dance "dirty"? Of course not. Some people have clean hearts and have no need for such restrictions. Why punish everyone for the sins of a few?

We should preach moderation. If a person knows that they drink too much, it is their responsibility (or any other Christian who notices) to control the issue through prayer, mediation, etc.

7/27/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Don Fields said...

David,

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate your thinking on this issue. Thanks for taking the time to post. It is helpful to me personally.

7/27/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Fundamentally Reformed said...

Don,

Thanks for pointing out this series of articles. It is an interesting topic for me too. I have recently begun drinking out of a conviction I have gained through my own personal study of this issue. I posted about this in a post entitled “Wine to Gladden the Heart of Man”: Thoughts on God’s Good Gift of Wine. There was quite a healthy discussion on that post, too. Perhaps it might help you in this topic. (By the way, I totally respect your position; and as a former believer that the Bible absolutely forbid alcohol, I can understand that position as well.)

God Bless,

Bob Hayton

7/29/2006 02:03:00 AM  
Blogger Don Fields said...

Bob,

Thanks for the comments and the link. I did go over and read your article and most of the responses. Thanks for weighing in here and as I am still studying on this topic your comments were helpful to me in making a biblically-based decision.

7/29/2006 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Fundamentally Reformed said...

Don,

If you're interested I just put out another post on the topic. I link to this post and all of Thirsty Theologian's posts so far, but also some other interesting ones on the topic I have found. Some from Centuri0n and others from lesser known sites. There is some discussion over there (on my new post), perhaps it would help as you are thinking through this issue even as I type.

God bless, and I really appreciate all you guys do here at World from My Window. I must say I am becoming a regular reader.

My new post is entitled "Will You Be Having Some Wine?"

8/02/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger Don Fields said...

Fundamentally Reformed,

Happy to have you as a regular reader. After I finish linking Thirsty Theologians final post I will come over and take a look at what you have to say. Thanks for stopping by and thanks for leaving the link.

8/04/2006 09:25:00 AM  

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