Monday, April 16

Cedarville University Hosts 'The Goal Is Soul: The Work and Witness of U2' Presentation

This presentation was facilitated by Episcopalian Priestess, Beth Maynard.

Greg Linscott has the details HERE.

We have had several blog-discussions concerning Cedarville University in the past, at which time I continued to recommend Cedarville with some reservations.

I will no longer do so.

Perhaps these You-Tube videos will convince you to do the same.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

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Blogger Pastor Steve said...

Is this for real? I only listened to the first minute or two. Regardless of what was said, the disturbing part is simply her presence and topic.

4/16/2007 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Roger Williams said...

Mother Beth is one of the most godly women I know. Why are you so disturbed by her presence at Cedarville? And why would this be the reason that you will no longer recommend the college to young people?

4/16/2007 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Douglas Ford said...

Rev. Maynard is a fine cultural critic and excellent preacher. She is soldily evangelical and one can only assume was a welcome guest at the university. I have heard her speak many times during her times as associate rector of Christ Church in Hamilton, MA.

Why the negative comments? I am at a loss as to why there are folks who are upset with her appearance at a Christian college. She is a Christian - an ordained Christian - who is very vocal about the left wing of the Episcopal Church. I count her as a blessing and an asset to conservative Protestantism. Please elaborate as to your problems with her presence at Cedarville, her presentation and/or her ministry.

4/16/2007 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger Baptist Crusader said...

uhhh ....what was the purpose of that class?

4/16/2007 08:24:00 PM  
Blogger Ken Fields said...

Roger and Douglas,

I do not doubt that Beth is a godly woman. Nothing in my post questioned the validity of her relationship with God.

I do have a problem with a woman holding the position of a pastor and/or reverend (I really don't like that term). According to 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1, women are not to hold pastoral positions. I realize you may disagree with this position, but I am a complementarian ... as Cedarville University claims to be.

I also have a problem with using Bono and U2 as examples (to be followed) of missional evangelism. Bono is an admitted universalist whose lifestyle and language show little evidence of genuine conversion.

Did you notice Beth's highlighting of the quote concerning not persuading people to follow Christ, but to ask them to consider Christ?

This philosophy contradicts Paul's ministry and Scripture itself:

2 Corinthians 5:11, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men..."

See also Colossians 1:28, 2 Corinthians 4:5, Colossians 1:17 ... all verses that tell us what we are to proclaim and in Whose name we are to persuade men. We are to preach Christ -- not to ask them to consider Him. Following Christ is not optional suggestion for mankind ... it's an imperative (see John 3:7)--Acts 17:30, "And the times of this ignorance God winked at but now commandeth all men every where to repent."


I realize you may not be conservative, fundamental evangelicals. I am. And Cedarville University claims to be. I will no longer recommend Cedarville because of their theological and practical inconsistencies. Not only was the topic and content of the talk not theologically sound, but granting a Episcopal Priestess the authority to speak at this historically Baptist and complementarian school defies its historic, Baptist positions.

4/16/2007 09:07:00 PM  
Blogger David T. said...

Didn't you also get upset about Josh Harris & Joyce Meyer?

4/16/2007 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger Ken Fields said...

David T,

I'm not sure what you mean.

I would have definitely been disappointed with Josh if the false rumor could have been substantiated.

I did post clarification stating that the Christian Today article reported the story inaccurately.

If you are referring to my complentarian views, then yes, I would have disagreed with Josh just as I have disagreed with Cedarville.

4/16/2007 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Douglas Ford said...

Why do you not like the term reverend? It's simply a title which means a person is ordained for the gospel ministry. I understand and respect your interpretation of Paul's pastoral epistles. I wonder though: would you also not feel comfortable continuing recommending the college if say a male Anglican clergyperson had been the featured speaker and the topic had not been centered on a rock band. Are you objecting to the topic or the speaker or both? Would having an even more conservative Anglican speaker (such as Jim Packer) to speak on say, Reformed theology, kept the college as one you would recommend? For the record, I appreciate Rev Maynard and Dr Packer; they are both beacons of light in a world of darkness.

4/16/2007 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger Pastor Steve said...

So a person who refuses to recognize God's authority and become a female pastor, and then that same person can also embrace a group like U2 and teach others to do the same and then they are also caught up in the Episcopalian church - they can still be a good Christian? I think we are redefining what a good Christian is here.

4/17/2007 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Ken Fields said...


To answer your question succinctly ... I wouldn't have a problem with Cedarville inviting JI Packer to speak on a topic other than the outreach ministry of U2.

So I had a problem with both the subject and the speaker (from a complementarian perspective).

4/17/2007 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Douglas Ford said...

Ken, thanks for the clarification. Pastor Steve, it seems that you are the one re-defining the term good Christian.

4/17/2007 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger Pastor Steve said...

Ok, so a Christian living in sin is a good Christian? Thanks for the clarification.

4/17/2007 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Brian said...

To all,

Here is Cedarville's response to my inquiry on this subject:

Dear Brian,

Thank you for contacting us. We've learned of the blogs over the past few days.

This event did take place and it was a co-sponsored event between the Student Life Division and the Department of Language and Literature. It was pre-approved by the university Administration.

The university invited Beth Maynard to come because she is extremely knowledgeable about the topic of U2, theology and culture, and the university thought it would be a service to our students to hear an informed, academically oriented presentation on a topic of considerable interest to both our culture and the church.

Mrs. Maynard is an author, a respected cultural critic, and holds a Master’s degree from Boston University. She did not speak in a chapel service and students were not required to attend her evening event. Students could choose to attend or not attend this free and open lecture.

We often have our students reading, watching, or listening to intelligent people who have thoughtful ideas to share or an informed critique to offer on a given topic. This is, we’ve found, not only a good way to create a healthy learning community and train our students to participate in this academic culture, but also a good way to prepare them to engage our culture upon graduation.

Our Baptist doctrinal convictions do not, of course, support the ordination of women. We do not see having an academic presentation by an ordained woman on a topic she is well-qualified to speak on - U2, theology, and culture - as being at odds with our doctrinal statement or our mission as a university.

I appreciate your inquiry and your invitation to us to allow us to explain our rationale.

Please don't hesitate to contact me further,


Dr. Scott Calhoun
Associate Professor of Language and Literature Cedarville University

4/17/2007 02:40:00 PM  

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